| August 14, 2002
A regular meeting of the Jewett Town Board was held on August 14, 2002.
Supervisor Michael Flaherty called the meeting to order at 7 PM. Present
were Board members Marilyn Haarklau, Thomas Hitchcock, Mark Middleton,
and Superintendent of Highways Robert Mallory, Attorney for the Town Tal
G. Rappleyea and some Town residents. Councilman Paul LaPierre and the
town clerk were absent.
Minutes of the July 10, 2002 meeting were approved as presented on a
motion by Hitchcock, seconded by Haarklau and carried.
The Supervisor's report was given out and bank statements were made
available for review.
Referring back to the July 10, 2002 minutes Councilman Middleton asked
Attorney Rappleyea to clarify the comment that he would "monitor
the clean up of the Kilmer property."
Attorney Rappleyea explained that Mr. Kilmer has been out of work for
the last three months and understands this is a problem and he wants to
take care of it as soon as the Doctor says he can. Attorney Rappleyea
recommend, at the July meeting, " that the Board allow him to monitor
Mr. Kilmer and be sure he does the right thing."
Attorney Rappleyea talked with Mr. Kilmer today. Mr. Kilmer is going back
to work on Monday and told Attorney Rappleyea he will contact the Building
Inspector and take care of the situation.
Councilman Middleton: "I personally don't feel a broken bone excuses
somebody from getting back to the several letters from the Building Inspector.
As to the extent of his cleanup, what does that indicate? Is he going
to level the site and remove it? Other than the little wooden structure,
which may or may not be redeemable, I believe everything else has to go.
I wouldn't like the monitoring to be an extended period of time and I
would like to see nothing short of our decree which is removal of that
site and a clean up."
Attorney Rappleyea said Mr. Kilmer would call the Building Inspector and
make arrangement to clean up the site.
Councilman Middleton, "If we don't hear from him by the next meeting,
which is an additional 30 days, we would be in a position to force our
first clean-up."
Attorney Rappleyea will give a status report at the September 11th meeting.
A motion was made by Hitchcock, seconded by Haarklau and carried to give
Mr. Kilmer until the September meeting to contact the Building Inspector
and begin clean up and if nothing is done the Town will proceed on what
is required by the law.
Under courtesy of the Floor:
Town resident Francis Benjamin addressed the Board. He said, "it
was time someone came down and said something. A while back there was
an article about people that heard loud motorcycles going through Town
and saw maybe 50 to 100 bikes in Town. I went to three clubs and found
out why they ride on weekends, they are benefit rides and they raise money
for the cancer society."
Councilman Middleton asked where the complaints came from?
Mr. Benjamin, "that was in the paper when we did the survey."
Councilman Hitchcock, "I haven't heard anything recent as far as
a complaint. I think someone did make a comment" on the survey.
Mr. Benjamin, "on the recent article in the paper on Colgate Lake.
The Town Board put the cart before the horse. Someone came in and said
I think there renting canoes at Colgate, I think they have tent city up
there. Have any members of the Board gone up there to find out what is
going on?"
Supervisor Flaherty, "yes, I have. The canoes were brought in one
day for one weekend. The Bruderhauf had an occasion there and the canoes
went right back."
Mr. Benjamin, "there was a comment in the paper about campfires.
I talked with Dennis Martin and Jim Volker, anything unattended the people
got tickets for. As far as parking goes, if they didn't move their vehicles
they were towed away or ticketed. I really haven't seen the garbage up
there that people were talking about. There was a Boy Scout troop up there
with tents, campfires and canoes. On Sunday their community choir was
to pick garbage up."
Councilman Middleton, " I went up there three times in the last ten
days, on a motorcycle, and was pleasantly surprised at the cleanliness
of the property. I did check the toilet facility, it was maintained, it
was clean. The cars were all parked in a way that seemed safe and not
haphazard."
Councilman Hitchcock, "We have had problems in the past. Last year
we heard talk of buses coming in and it was overcrowded. What we heard
is that they were a group from Hunter, the camp was full and they sent
them over to Colgate Lake. We do have this facility and, yes, Dennis goes
there and Volker may go there, but suppose we get 3 or 4 hundred people,
there's no one there to say we can't handle anymore. It would be a nice
summer job for some kid if he were there just to monitor."
Supervisor Flaherty, "I'm the one who wrote the letter. I was shown
illegal fires and toilet paper hanging out of the trees and people were
not using the privy. I was also told that Dennis Martin changed his tours
so he can go there and do something with these illegal fires. That's no
reflection on what they do, they're only human beings trying to do their
job. A Town resident brought up the canoes but it was explained. When
I went and interviewed the employee working there part time for the DEC,
he showed me all the short falls and made some suggestions and from the
day I saw him, it was remarkable how well it got cleaned up. So it was
a problem."
A motion was made by Flaherty, seconded by Middleton and carried to
close courtesy of the floor.
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Under correspondence:
A) The court clerk has resigned for health reasons. The Justice's are
currently interviewing to replace that position.
Councilman Middleton asked if this was the clerk that was perusing the
back- log and if the Town was mandated to produce those records from 1975?
Supervisor Flaherty replied yes, these were records that were suppose
to be done and for some reason didn't get sent in. As we understand it
the courts are required to maintain certain records and without a clerk
it was difficult. These are uncollected fines and follow-ups.
B) DOT has done the study requested and reduced the speed limit on Cramer
Road to 40 M.P.H.
C) We have a receipt from DOT on a speed reduction request on Mill Hollow
Road.
Councilman Hitchcock: "23C keeps changing the speed limit. Down by
Rappleyea's it stayed down for a while, now its jumped back up, what's
going on?"
Supervisor Flaherty, "I met with the State Engineer. As you recall,
we did a TE9 ex-post facto because the County didn't follow proper procedure.
The State engineering study indicated that we keep it at 45 M.P.H with
an indicator at Cramer Road to slow down to 30 M.P.H. The State Engineer
said they made a decision and that is what it's going to be."
D) A thank you letter was received from the Mountaintop Animal Friends
for a donation from the Town.
E) The Town has received an invitation from the Town of Lexington to
participate in a game of horse-shoes on Saturday, August 24th, 2002 at
their annual festival.
F) The Town has been invited to the ground-breaking ceremony at the
Irish Center in Durham on Saturday, September 7th, 2002.
Supervisor Flaherty informed the Board that DEP is looking to acquire
some land on the Vitelli property on Goshen Street. Presently it consists
of multiple buildings on a 12acre lot and the surrounding property is
62 acres. DEP wants to purchase the 62 acres. The septic system for the
12acre lot is part of the 62 acres. A boundary line adjustment will be
done so the 12acre lot will remain 12 acres.
Councilman Middleton asked if Mr. Vitelli contacted DEP?
Supervisor Flaherty said the DEP was required to go through the five Counties
and before the program is over to acquire some 80 thousand acres to protect
the streams.
Supervisor Flaherty, "the reason I bring this to your attention is
the rules allow a 120 day comment period. They don't notify us until they're
in contract with the owner, but they give the Towns an option to make
a comment. Property taxes will be exactly the same as they are presently."
Councilman Middleton, "my only comment is everyone knows it's been
a problem property for the Town. There may be a blessing in disguise here
by removing surrounding lands, which would prohibit further expansion.
That may be something we can count as a plus."
Supervisor Flaherty, "this subdivision was done, I believe, before
1988. A lot of the buildings were put in before our zoning regulations.
Mr. Vitelli has filed 6 to 8 building permits with us. I have to research
and make sure each one did follow our laws. If the building permits went
out for a total project and the law changes in the mean time, as the zoning
did, is he grand-fathered in on what was existing at the time he did the
permit?"
Attorney Rappleyea, "he is only grand-fathered to what he has substantially
completed. You don't get an automatic grandfather. New York law is very
clear. Unless you have some vested interest in what's there, you've spent
some serious money and have substantially completed, the new law applies."
Supervisor Flaherty, "we still have time on the comment period. I'll
table it for now and the next meeting we will come back with any comments."
Councilman Hitchcock, "He has 15 apartments which maybe can handle
60 people. Is that going to need a variance on the density?"
Supervisor Flaherty, "If the buildings were put up prior to the Town
of Jewett's zoning he would be grand-fathered under what existed years
ago."
Councilman Hitchcock, "But now we're doing something new to those
tenants. We're restricting their space, right down to where there're renting,
to a fraction of what they had before."
Councilman Middleton, "They are two separate parcels. They only had
12 acres from the beginning. Tom's thought is he believed the density
was predicated on the additional 62 acres, it never was, it was predicated
on the 12 acres right from the get go so that density has been there.
We're not changing the picture only because it's two different lots."
The Board approved resolution #13 on a motion by Flaherty, seconded
by Middleton and carried. This resolution is in support of Greene County's
application designation of certain areas as an Empire Zone.
ROLL CALL: Ayes 4 Flaherty, Haarklau, Hitchcock, Middleton
Nays 0
Absent 1 LaPierre
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The Board finalized the town-wide pickup. The information will be placed
on the Internet, in the post offices and advertised in full in the newspaper.
Councilman Middleton also suggested it be advertised as a community service
announcement at the local radio station.
The Board worked on the finalization of the monument dedication. Town
resident Tom Wilson offered some written suggestions to the Board.
Councilman Hitchcock, "We made several trips to New York Quarries.
When we approved the purchase it was suppose to be field stone, 3 feet
by 6 feet. He was having difficulty coming up with a single stone so we
went for a base stone, which will fit flat on the ground, and then there
will an upright stone with the engraving on it. Mark and I had to make
that decision. We're pleased with the two stones. The Superintendent of
Highways will put the base stone on some kind of a foundation. The upright
stone will be flat on the bottom with two holes for pins placed in two
holes in the base."
Councilman Middleton, "The two stones together will be about the
same height. The base stone will be set into the dirt to a certain degree."
Councilman Hitchcock, " At some point we will have to transport the
stones. It's a heavy stone and has to be handled carefully."
Councilman Hitchcock had a draft notice to go in the newspaper and on
the Internet about the dedication. There was a second draft on the ceremony
leading up to the dedication. This was discussed.
The ceremony will begin at 5:30 PM on September 11, 2002.
The monument will be placed in the grove of trees across from the Municipal
Building. The Board agreed to meet on Tuesday, September 3rd at 7PM to
finalize plans.
Councilwoman Haarklau complemented Councilman Hitchcock on the "wonderful
job" he's done.
In case of bad weather the ceremony will take place in the Municipal Building.
A motion was made by Flaherty, seconded by Middleton and carried to
elect T. Patrick Meehan and Richard Rem each to a two year term to the
Coalition of Watershed Towns Executive Committee and write in Councilman
Thomas Hitchcock as an alternate.
An update was given on Colgate Lake. Supervisor Flaherty, "A letter
was sent, there is improvement going on there. The employees are working
with their supervisors. Forest Ranger Dennis Martin has adjusted his hour's
so he can check on illegal fires."
Supervisor Flaherty gave an update on Camp Harriman. "The construction
of their waste water treatment plant is 99.9% completed, they have some
landscaping to do. In phase two they will be doing some reconstruction
on the dam." All the documentation is available from the Supervisor.
Supervisor Flaherty gave an update on the Hunter Landfill. "The
bidding went out for the interceptor trench. In order to cut back our
leachy cost the trench should catch a lot of the ground water. Eventually
the artificial wetlands should be constructed. While this is going on
we will parallel our obligation and will still be hauling leachy. The
trench will only take three days to put in. If this does what it's suppose
to do it could capture 50 to 75% of the ground water. Next spring the
artificial wetlands will be addressed. The interceptor trench has been
accepted by DEC and will be 90/10 funded. The wetlands will not be funded
until after DEC sees it up and working."
Under other:
Councilman Middleton, "How are we making out on the letters to
the fire departments? I believe we really need to have some communication
on this before we go to budget. I want to know if they're responding to
this letter so we're protecting everybody."
Supervisor Flaherty, "Yes, the letters went out and no I have not
received a response."
Councilman Middleton, "I can't see this councilperson approving a
budget with further monies. Not that it isn't deserving. I'm going to
protest the fact that we have gotten no response as to where this money
is or how this money could be audited according to the IRS. East Jewett
Fire Department has already indicated to us that they have done it in
the past and they were going to re-up the forms and we still haven't got
it."
Supervisor Flaherty, "The information I received is they got everything
they spoke about at the meeting. I only asked for a copy so we could be
on board. That has not arrived yet."
Councilman Middleton, "I think the next letter should be strong and
the fact the Jewett Fire Department has given us no indication that there
willing to comply with this is problematic for me. We've taken the peoples
money, it's not our money, and lord knows these departments deserve it,
and whatever help we can them we should do so. At the same time we can't
be giving the peoples money to an organization that refuses to tell us
how they're dealing with the IRS. It's a simple form."
Supervisor Flaherty, "We've discussed this in the past. There's really
no mandatory requirement. We did the paper trail. If something was to
happen in the future at least we made the request."
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Councilman Middleton, "Is that good enough? Can we in all good conscious
continue to give monies when, at the very least, all they have to do is
show us compliance? The reality of it is, the IRS doesn't go away. The
volunteerism is a wonderful thing and we don't want to lose that, but
at the same time how stupid would we look if the IRS came to look at auditing
practices in the fire departments? You guys have known this, they did
not respond, yet you budgeted for more money again. That's where my problem
lies. It's one thing if we were deaf, dumb and happy and didn't know about
it, but the reality is it's come to the forefront. For them not to give
us the paper work and East Jewett probably has it and maybe it's simply
vacation time but I'm more troubled with Jewett that their not even asking
East Jewett what they did to do that or reach out to us, which is what
we offered. I think we should re-up a letter."
Councilman Middleton, "I'm a little confused on this Ethan Tarnow
thing. We issued a stop work and I'm not certain as to what he's doing,
I can't make hide or hair out of Mr. Bosworth's letter. We've got a change
of use in a barn for a business. What kind of business?"
Supervisor Flaherty, "The guy runs some kind of company, they cut
CD's. That would at a minimum require an application for a special use."
Attorney Rappleyea, "There are two violations. One is that he made
improvements to the barn without a permit. The second problem is that
he is conducting a business out of that property where it is zoned only
as a special use and he does not have a special use permit. He appeared
in court and we adjourned it for two months because he was going to work
with Bob and make sure he filed his application for the special use permit
and make sure he does what he need to do in order to get his building
permit."
Councilman Middleton, "I think at some point we're going to have
to look at a section of our zoning that deals with home occupation. At
this point in time certain things are allowed but to what magnitude and
what size? Does it out stripe the realties of a home occupation?"
Attorney Rappleyea, "We do have a definition that says that the people
that work in that home occupation must either reside in the home or not
more than two other employees."
Councilman Middleton, "My contention is you can have two employees
and still be in a position to grow large enough to hurt the residential
districts. My point is, is that what we want? If you happen to be a home
owner next to someone who decides to grow his business, that's a right
of his to do that. I'm taking about the magnitude of the business, where
does it out stripe the home occupation size? I believe that that is something
that's going to be coming up on a continual basis. I'm stating now, I
believe the magnitude of the business' established within the home occupation
will become a problem for us, the way the law is written right now."
Supervisor Flaherty, "Share that thought with us again. Maybe we
could invite Helen Budrock, maybe even Mr. Church, a planner, to talk
with the Board."
The Superintendents request for a truck had been tabled until he was
at a meeting.
Superintendent Mallory, "I want a roller and a trailer before we
buy a truck. I don't need a truck as much as I need a roller. I have x
amount of dollars and to me the roller and trailer makes more sense. I'm
going to start looking in a few weeks for something around $20,000. I
would like a truck but I really want to put the money toward a roller."
Councilman Middleton, "I believe the Highway Superintendent needs
a pick up truck in this Town and shouldn't be using his own. I believe
there's an inherent liability there as well but I applaud your constraint
in putting your priorities in line. I think it's a shame we can't say
let's do them both."
Superintendent Mallory, "Let me get some thing together, maybe we
can do all the things. A $15,000 with 40,000 miles will suffice for this
Town."
Supervisor Flaherty, "If something came by we have the potential
of having $46,000 to use."
Councilman Middleton to the Superintendent, "For the next meeting
or the meeting after could you analyze the amount of roads and what you
consider the trade off between all the roads. How this roller would really
come in, as well as the truck and let's come up with a number. Let's also
explore auctions."
Supervisor Flaherty, "Bob and I were concerned with the CHIPS funding.
There was a strong rumor that it was going to dry up, which is a big part
of our budget. We get $43,000, which is better than a mile of road for
us and we're able to advance it to our State aid. I received this letter
from the committee on Local Government that talked about the 2002-2003
budgets. It said the State would maintain the overall funding at last
year's level so at least we'll have something going into the budget."
Councilman Hitchcock, "We mentioned the historical thing for the
bridge and Jane was kind enough to find the green form. It's a simple
application to be filled out. If we get it on the Historical Register
then maybe we can get some funds to do some things."
Supervisor Flaherty said he will get to the application as soon as he
can.
Councilman Hitchcock, "In speaking with Mike Bolz recently, he mentioned
the Mountaintop isn't really covered by any kind of police at night. I
thought this might be a topic for the Mountaintop Supervisors and Mayors.
I didn't know that. If a resident of the Mountaintop calls because they
have a disturbance or something their concerned about that needs police
involvement, there's no one up here."
Supervisor Flaherty, "The State Police are out all night."
Councilman Hitchcock, "He thought if the Mountaintop people talked
to the Sheriff he might do something to increase coverage."
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Supervisor Flaherty, "When we were looking for an extra Deputy, we
had to commit ourselves to an additional $40,000 a year to come out of
our taxes."
Councilman Hitchcock, "I don't know if this is crucial or not."
It was suggested the State Trooper Barracks in Leeds be contacted and
asked if there was a patrol on the Mountaintop at night.
Councilman Hitchcock, "At some point when we do budgeting I'm going
to put in something to think about. I think we could do better with the
health insurance. I noticed we budgeted about $22,000. I would like to
see us consider having somebody in place, similar to Fay Highdecker, a
part time health insurance person, taking care of our people in the Town
and doing this in a timelier manner. We would know better where we stand
with the budget."
Supervisor Flaherty, "Marilyn and I attended the last EMS meeting.
We are hiring an attorney, through the organization, to investigate creating
a County wide ambulance district. We would be relieved of all this responsibility.
The attorney's been hired. He's going to go into the whole mechanism;
it'll be very similar to a fire district. The cost will be distributed
on the County bill."
The Building Inspector was not present to answer questions. He prepared
a written report for the Board.
Councilman Middleton asked that the Building Inspector give a report to
the Board on letters sent out concerning unsafe buildings.
Bills were audited and ordered paid. The general fund was $12,657.83
on abstract #8, claim numbers 197 to 226. The highway fund was $22,525.27
on abstract #8, claim numbers 121 to 140.
Attorney Rappleyea reported on the Prisco case. "The County finally
decided that it was their liability and no one else's."
There being no further business the meeting was adjourned on a motion
by Flaherty, seconded by Haarklau and carried.
Due to the absence of the Town Clerk these minutes were taken entirely
from the tape recordings.
The quality of the tape was poor and parts of conversations were muffled.
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